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    #76
    Originally posted by davegan View Post

    Forse perché uno ha vinto 8 mondiali e l'altro neanche 8 gp?
    Allora Agostini sarebbe il primo sfidante di Bagnaia. Purtroppo conta la velocità attuale non i bei tempi andati
    Last edited by Fafnir; 25-09-24, 15:00.

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      #77
      Originally posted by piùpeloxtutti View Post
      Fosse così semplice allora Marc non avrebbe rivali al momento no? Il discorso è un po’ più complesso di così comunque lo vedremo presto chi tra i due arriverà davanti a fine mondiale ricordo sempre che una cosa è correre nel team ufficiale altra correre come debuttante in un team satellite! So che per la maggioranza il team Gresini è al livello del team Lenovo ma a me sta roba fa ridere, e parecchio. Lo vedremo l’anno prossimo quanto il Team Gresini senza Marc vale il Lenovo con Marc
      Se KTM o Aprilia non crescono, alla fine peggio che può fare è secondo. Non vedo per Bagnaia e Marquez altri rivali essendo che i piloti buoni (acosta in primis e Martin) saranno su due moto decisamente meno competitive.

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        #78
        Io prevedo invece che il prossimo anno Ducati ufficiale non farà prima e seconda uno dei due Lenovo per me faticherà a stare sul podio mondiale…vedremo se c’azzecco e in tal caso quale dei due sarà in difficoltà.

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          #79
          Originally posted by piùpeloxtutti View Post
          Io prevedo invece che il prossimo anno Ducati ufficiale non farà prima e seconda uno dei due Lenovo per me faticherà a stare sul podio mondiale…vedremo se c’azzecco e in tal caso quale dei due sarà in difficoltà.
          Per non fare podio mondiale devono fare una moto pessima o difficile

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            #80
            Originally posted by luciocabrio View Post

            Per non fare podio mondiale devono fare una moto pessima o difficile
            Beh, non è che al momento gli ufficiali Lenovo con la gp24 (che è ottima) siano primo e secondo e se quest’anno a competere per il terzo gradino del podio è pur sempre una Ducati (satellite) non è detto che l’anno prossimo con due Ducati in meno non possa essere invece una KTM o un’Aprilia a farlo. Che poi i due ufficiali Lenovo nel 25 facciano il vuoto è sicuramente uno scenario (molto) plausibile ma lo è anche che solo uno dei due ci riesca e che l’altro vada in difficoltà o che si danneggino a vicenda permettendo a qualcun altro di vincere. Insomma, per me nulla è scontato

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              #81
              Originally posted by Fafnir View Post

              Allora Agostini sarebbe il primo sfidante di Bagnaia. Purtroppo conta la velocità attuale non i bei tempi andati
              ah agostini corre ancora !!
              discorso senza senso il tuo

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                #82
                Originally posted by Durim View Post

                Se KTM o Aprilia non crescono, alla fine peggio che può fare è secondo. Non vedo per Bagnaia e Marquez altri rivali essendo che i piloti buoni (acosta in primis e Martin) saranno su due moto decisamente meno competitive.
                KTM sta preparando una ristrutturazione aziendale che costera migliaia di posti lavoro e chiusure di fabbriche , la situazione e' pessima bisogna vedere cosa dicide di fare l azienda nel motorsport
                Potrebbe sia spingere al massimo per dare visibilita' oppure tirare i remi in barca

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by davegan View Post

                  KTM sta preparando una ristrutturazione aziendale che costera migliaia di posti lavoro e chiusure di fabbriche , la situazione e' pessima bisogna vedere cosa dicide di fare l azienda nel motorsport
                  Potrebbe sia spingere al massimo per dare visibilita' oppure tirare i remi in barca
                  Oddio,
                  Io non la vedo così tragica da chiusura di fabbriche e migliaia di posti di lavoro.
                  Penso solo più a qualche altra centinaia di posti di lavoro tagliati.

                  Questo il report del primo semestre 2024 pubblicato per gli azionisti





                  PIERER Mobility AG: Economically volatile and difficult conditions led to negative result in H1 2024, outlook for the full year confirmed
                  PIERER Mobility AG / Key word(s): Half Year Results
                  PIERER Mobility AG: Economically volatile and difficult conditions led to negative result in H1 2024, outlook for the full year confirmed

                  23-Aug-2024 / 17:58 CET/CEST
                  Disclosure of an inside information acc. to Article 17 MAR of the Regulation (EU) No 596/2014, transmitted by EQS News - a service of EQS Group AG.
                  The issuer is solely responsible for the content of this announcement.

                  Ad hoc notification pursuant to Article 17 of Regulation (EU) No 596/2014 (MAR)

                  Ad hoc announcement pursuant to Art. 53 LR

                  Wels, August 23, 2024



                  PIERER Mobility AG: Economically volatile and difficult conditions led to negative result in H1 2024, outlook for the full year confirmed
                  • Results in H1 2024 negative, but in line with the current outlook for the 2024 financial year
                  • Significant improvement expected in H2
                  • Working capital remains at a high level, significant improvements expected at the end of 2024 and in 2025
                  • Increased net debt but solid financing structure
                  • Motorcycle market: Challenging market environment - Europe slightly positive, North America, Australia and China declining, India positive
                  • MV Agusta integration process going according to plan
                  • Bicycle market: persistent oversupply on the market necessitated value adjustments, focus on the premium segment
                  • Full-year outlook for 2024 confirmed







                  Earnings performance in the first half of 2024
                  H1 2023 H1 2024
                  Revenue in €m 1,388 1,007
                  EBITDA in €m 179 -102
                  EBIT in €m 97 -195
                  Employees as of June 30 People 6,314 6,024
                  The PIERER Mobility Group generated revenue of € 1,007 million (-27%) in H1 2024. Around 93% of this was attributable to the Motorcycles segment and 7% to the Bicycles segment. Around 61% of revenue was generated in Europe, 27% in North America (USA, Canada, Mexico) and 12% in other countries.



                  At € -195 million, the operating result (EBIT) in H1 2024 was significantly below the previous year's figure of € 97 million. The main factor behind the negative result was the Bicycles
                  segment at € -117 million, of which around € -75 million was attributable to special write-offs/effects. The result in the Motorcycles segment amounted to € -78 million. The Executive Board expects that the second half of the year - primarily driven by a higher-margin product mix - will turn the overall result into positive territory.



                  The operating result before depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) of € -102 million (previous year: € 179 million) corresponds to an EBITDA margin of -10%.



                  The result for the period amounted to € -172 million (previous year: € 53 million).



                  The main drivers behind the results for the first half of the year were the decline in sales due to the economic environment (particularly in the USA), expenses in connection with the restructuring of the Bicycle segment as well as the production and personnel costs in Europe.



                  Working capital and net debt



                  The increased net debt of € 1,469 million is due to the negative result as well as the increased capital commitment. One of the main reasons for this is the necessary support for the global dealer network. As a result of the packages of measures, working capital and thus net debt will return to a significantly lower level by the end of 2025. The necessary financing requirements have been secured.





                  Significant improvements expected in H2 2024 - measures to improve earnings



                  The following measures were taken to improve the result in the second half of the year:
                  • A further significant cost reduction will take place in the third quarter through the reduction of an additional 200 employees in the overhead area. Together with the cost reductions and personnel adjustments already made in the first half of the year, this will secure and strengthen the competitiveness of PIERER Mobility AG in the long term.
                  • The reduction in production volumes by around 25% in 2024 is intended to relieve pressure on the product pipeline and dealer warehouses. This will lead to a significant reduction in capital commitment and therefore also in net debt.
                  • Another focus is on increasing efficiency in product development. The focus is on aligning and prioritizing activities as part of the Group's premium brand strategy as well as streamlining and accelerating development processes. Following on from this, we are leveraging further synergies in research and development with our strategic partners.
                  • The loss-making bicycle division will be systematically restructured. The realignment already initiated in the 2023 financial year with a focus on the premium segment will be implemented and completed in 2024.



                  Motorcycles segment
                  H1 2023 H1 2024 Change
                  External revenue in €m 1,277 936 -27%
                  EBITDA in €m 196 11 -94%
                  EBIT in €m 117 -78 n.m.
                  In H1 2024, revenue in the Motorcycles segment fell by 27% to € 936 million. EBITDA reached € 11 million (previous year: € 196 million) and EBIT amounted to € -78 million (previous year: € 117 million).



                  The macroeconomic environment remained challenging in H1 2024. In particular, high interest rates in the USA, inflation in many European countries and a slowdown in global economic growth had a negative impact on PIERER Mobility's motorcycle sales in H1 2024, which fell by 21.2% to a total of 147,496 units. Around 44% of motorcycles were sold in Europe, 21% in North America including Mexico, 22% in India and Indonesia and 13% in the rest of the world. In H1 2024, PIERER Mobility acquired a majority stake in MV Agusta. The integration of the Italian luxury motorcycle manufacturer is going according to plan.



                  The development of motorcycle registrations in PIERER Mobility's core markets presented a mixed picture in the first half of the year: a slightly positive trend in overall demand in Europe, driven primarily by the low-price segment (Chinese imports), was offset by a decline in demand in North America as well as in Asia, Australia and New Zealand. In this environment, PIERER Mobility succeeded in maintaining or achieving a market share of over 10% in each of the key markets of Europe, the USA and China.





                  Bicycles segment
                  H1 2023 H1 2024 Change
                  External revenue in €m 108 69 -36%
                  EBITDA in €m -14 -115 > -100 %
                  EBIT in €m -16 -117 > -100 %
                  At € 69 million, revenue in H1 2024 was 36% lower than in H1 2023. EBITDA amounted to € -115 million (previous year: € -14 million) and EBIT to € -117 million (previous year: € -16 million).



                  As part of the restructuring of the bicycle business, the R Raymon brand was sold as a first step in 2023. In the first half of the previous financial year, this brand had a sales share of 51% for e-bicycles and 61% for bicycles. Strong sales increases for the Husqvarna, GASGAS and Felt brands in H1 2024 meant that sales of e-bicycles only fell by 26% to 28,771 units and sales of bicycles by 19% to 25,049 units. The special effects in connection with the restructuring of the bicycle business amounted to around € -75 million in H1 2024. PIERER Mobility is also focusing on premium brands in this segment. The Group therefore increased its stake in the bicycle manufacturer Felt and has been the majority shareholder since July 1, 2024.



                  Employees



                  As at June 30, 2024, the PIERER Mobility Group employed 6,024 people, 4,712 of whom were based in Austria (78%). In total, the Group's headcount has fallen by 160 employees since December 31, 2023. This was due to the reduction of 373 employees in H1 2024, 309 of whom were in Austria. In contrast, the first-time full consolidation of MV Agusta (Italy) added an additional 213 employees to the Group.



                  Outlook for the 2024 financial year confirmed



                  In a persistently challenging environment, the Executive Board expects a significantly better second half of the year, supported by a higher-margin product mix, particularly in the offroad segment. For 2024 as a whole, it is forecasting a decline in revenue of 10% to 15% compared to the previous year.

                  In the Motorcycles segment, the Executive Board assumes that the cost savings introduced will be able to compensate for the negative effects of declining sales to such an extent that a balanced to slightly positive EBIT can be generated in the 2024 financial year. The development of existing dealers and the further expansion of the dealer network to support the brand strategy will be key issues in the 2024 financial year.

                  In the Bicycle division, however, the Executive Board expects a significantly negative EBIT of € -110 to € -130 million, which is mainly due to extraordinary impairment and restructuring requirements. Valuation measures amounting to € -75 million have already been recognized in the half-year results.






                  Group key figures H1 2024 of PIERER Mobility AG
                  H1 2023 H1 2024 Change
                  Revenue in €m 1,388 1,007 -27.4%
                  EBITDA in €m 179 -102 > -100 %
                  EBITDA margin 12.9% -10.1% -23.0pp
                  EBIT in €m 97 -195 > -100 %
                  EBIT margin 7.0% -19.4% -26.4pp
                  Profit for the period in €m 53 -172 > -100 %
                  Earnings per share in € 2 -5 > -100 %
                  Dec 31, 2023 June 30, 2024 Change
                  Balance sheet total in €m 2,953 3,269 10.7%
                  Equity in €m 909 722 -20.6%
                  Equity ratio 30.8% 22.1% -8.7pp
                  Working capital employed in €m 531 809 52.2%
                  Net debt in €m 776 1,469 89.3%
                  Gearing 85.3% 203.4% 118.1pp


                  The Half-Year Financial Report 2024 of PIERER Mobility AG and the current investor presentation will be available on the company's website at https://www.pierermobility.com/en/investor-relations/publications before the market opens on Monday, August 26, 2024.



                  Legal notice

                  THIS ANNOUNCEMENT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN OFFER OF SECURITIES FOR SALE OR A SOLICITATION OF AN OFFER TO PURCHASE SECURITIES OF PIERER MOBILITY AG. IT IS NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION, TRANSMISSION OR PUBLICATION, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, IN OR INTO THE UNITED STATES, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, JAPAN OR SOUTH AFRICA OR ANY OTHER JURISDICTION IN WHICH THE DISTRIBUTION OF THIS ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD BE UNLAWFUL.



                  For further information:

                  Investor Relations

                  Hans Lang & Melinda Busáné Bellér

                  Tel: +43 676 4140945 and +43 676 4093711, respectively

                  Email: ir@pierermobility.com

                  Website: https://www.pierermobility.com



                  ISIN: AT0000KTMI02; security number (Switzerland): 41860974; securities code: PKTM;

                  Bloomberg: PKTM SW, PKTM AV; Reuters: PKTM.S, PKTM.VI






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                    #84
                    Originally posted by piùpeloxtutti View Post

                    Beh, non è che al momento gli ufficiali Lenovo con la gp24 (che è ottima) siano primo e secondo e se quest’anno a competere per il terzo gradino del podio è pur sempre una Ducati (satellite) non è detto che l’anno prossimo con due Ducati in meno non possa essere invece una KTM o un’Aprilia a farlo. Che poi i due ufficiali Lenovo nel 25 facciano il vuoto è sicuramente uno scenario (molto) plausibile ma lo è anche che solo uno dei due ci riesca e che l’altro vada in difficoltà o che si danneggino a vicenda permettendo a qualcun altro di vincere. Insomma, per me nulla è scontato
                    io contestavo questo:

                    "uno dei due Lenovo per me faticherà a stare sul podio mondiale…"

                    quindi pensi che bagnaia o marquez saranno fuori dalla top3
                    Per me no

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by luciocabrio View Post

                      io contestavo questo:

                      "uno dei due Lenovo per me faticherà a stare sul podio mondiale…"

                      quindi pensi che bagnaia o marquez saranno fuori dalla top3
                      Per me no
                      Salvo sfighe, a mio parere il mondiale se lo giocano loro 2, con Martin (se si adatta velocemente) e i 2 Ktm a seguire.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by toscanaccio34 View Post

                        Oddio,
                        Io non la vedo così tragica da chiusura di fabbriche e migliaia di posti di lavoro.
                        Penso solo più a qualche altra centinaia di posti di lavoro tagliati.

                        Questo il report del primo semestre 2024 pubblicato per gli azionisti





                        PIERER Mobility AG: Economically volatile and difficult conditions led to negative result in H1 2024, outlook for the full year confirmed
                        PIERER Mobility AG / Key word(s): Half Year Results
                        PIERER Mobility AG: Economically volatile and difficult conditions led to negative result in H1 2024, outlook for the full year confirmed

                        23-Aug-2024 / 17:58 CET/CEST
                        Disclosure of an inside information acc. to Article 17 MAR of the Regulation (EU) No 596/2014, transmitted by EQS News - a service of EQS Group AG.
                        The issuer is solely responsible for the content of this announcement.

                        Ad hoc notification pursuant to Article 17 of Regulation (EU) No 596/2014 (MAR)

                        Ad hoc announcement pursuant to Art. 53 LR

                        Wels, August 23, 2024



                        PIERER Mobility AG: Economically volatile and difficult conditions led to negative result in H1 2024, outlook for the full year confirmed
                        • Results in H1 2024 negative, but in line with the current outlook for the 2024 financial year
                        • Significant improvement expected in H2
                        • Working capital remains at a high level, significant improvements expected at the end of 2024 and in 2025
                        • Increased net debt but solid financing structure
                        • Motorcycle market: Challenging market environment - Europe slightly positive, North America, Australia and China declining, India positive
                        • MV Agusta integration process going according to plan
                        • Bicycle market: persistent oversupply on the market necessitated value adjustments, focus on the premium segment
                        • Full-year outlook for 2024 confirmed







                        Earnings performance in the first half of 2024
                        H1 2023 H1 2024
                        Revenue in €m 1,388 1,007
                        EBITDA in €m 179 -102
                        EBIT in €m 97 -195
                        Employees as of June 30 People 6,314 6,024
                        The PIERER Mobility Group generated revenue of € 1,007 million (-27%) in H1 2024. Around 93% of this was attributable to the Motorcycles segment and 7% to the Bicycles segment. Around 61% of revenue was generated in Europe, 27% in North America (USA, Canada, Mexico) and 12% in other countries.



                        At € -195 million, the operating result (EBIT) in H1 2024 was significantly below the previous year's figure of € 97 million. The main factor behind the negative result was the Bicycles
                        segment at € -117 million, of which around € -75 million was attributable to special write-offs/effects. The result in the Motorcycles segment amounted to € -78 million. The Executive Board expects that the second half of the year - primarily driven by a higher-margin product mix - will turn the overall result into positive territory.



                        The operating result before depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) of € -102 million (previous year: € 179 million) corresponds to an EBITDA margin of -10%.



                        The result for the period amounted to € -172 million (previous year: € 53 million).



                        The main drivers behind the results for the first half of the year were the decline in sales due to the economic environment (particularly in the USA), expenses in connection with the restructuring of the Bicycle segment as well as the production and personnel costs in Europe.



                        Working capital and net debt



                        The increased net debt of € 1,469 million is due to the negative result as well as the increased capital commitment. One of the main reasons for this is the necessary support for the global dealer network. As a result of the packages of measures, working capital and thus net debt will return to a significantly lower level by the end of 2025. The necessary financing requirements have been secured.





                        Significant improvements expected in H2 2024 - measures to improve earnings



                        The following measures were taken to improve the result in the second half of the year:
                        • A further significant cost reduction will take place in the third quarter through the reduction of an additional 200 employees in the overhead area. Together with the cost reductions and personnel adjustments already made in the first half of the year, this will secure and strengthen the competitiveness of PIERER Mobility AG in the long term.
                        • The reduction in production volumes by around 25% in 2024 is intended to relieve pressure on the product pipeline and dealer warehouses. This will lead to a significant reduction in capital commitment and therefore also in net debt.
                        • Another focus is on increasing efficiency in product development. The focus is on aligning and prioritizing activities as part of the Group's premium brand strategy as well as streamlining and accelerating development processes. Following on from this, we are leveraging further synergies in research and development with our strategic partners.
                        • The loss-making bicycle division will be systematically restructured. The realignment already initiated in the 2023 financial year with a focus on the premium segment will be implemented and completed in 2024.



                        Motorcycles segment
                        H1 2023 H1 2024 Change
                        External revenue in €m 1,277 936 -27%
                        EBITDA in €m 196 11 -94%
                        EBIT in €m 117 -78 n.m.
                        In H1 2024, revenue in the Motorcycles segment fell by 27% to € 936 million. EBITDA reached € 11 million (previous year: € 196 million) and EBIT amounted to € -78 million (previous year: € 117 million).



                        The macroeconomic environment remained challenging in H1 2024. In particular, high interest rates in the USA, inflation in many European countries and a slowdown in global economic growth had a negative impact on PIERER Mobility's motorcycle sales in H1 2024, which fell by 21.2% to a total of 147,496 units. Around 44% of motorcycles were sold in Europe, 21% in North America including Mexico, 22% in India and Indonesia and 13% in the rest of the world. In H1 2024, PIERER Mobility acquired a majority stake in MV Agusta. The integration of the Italian luxury motorcycle manufacturer is going according to plan.



                        The development of motorcycle registrations in PIERER Mobility's core markets presented a mixed picture in the first half of the year: a slightly positive trend in overall demand in Europe, driven primarily by the low-price segment (Chinese imports), was offset by a decline in demand in North America as well as in Asia, Australia and New Zealand. In this environment, PIERER Mobility succeeded in maintaining or achieving a market share of over 10% in each of the key markets of Europe, the USA and China.





                        Bicycles segment
                        H1 2023 H1 2024 Change
                        External revenue in €m 108 69 -36%
                        EBITDA in €m -14 -115 > -100 %
                        EBIT in €m -16 -117 > -100 %
                        At € 69 million, revenue in H1 2024 was 36% lower than in H1 2023. EBITDA amounted to € -115 million (previous year: € -14 million) and EBIT to € -117 million (previous year: € -16 million).



                        As part of the restructuring of the bicycle business, the R Raymon brand was sold as a first step in 2023. In the first half of the previous financial year, this brand had a sales share of 51% for e-bicycles and 61% for bicycles. Strong sales increases for the Husqvarna, GASGAS and Felt brands in H1 2024 meant that sales of e-bicycles only fell by 26% to 28,771 units and sales of bicycles by 19% to 25,049 units. The special effects in connection with the restructuring of the bicycle business amounted to around € -75 million in H1 2024. PIERER Mobility is also focusing on premium brands in this segment. The Group therefore increased its stake in the bicycle manufacturer Felt and has been the majority shareholder since July 1, 2024.



                        Employees



                        As at June 30, 2024, the PIERER Mobility Group employed 6,024 people, 4,712 of whom were based in Austria (78%). In total, the Group's headcount has fallen by 160 employees since December 31, 2023. This was due to the reduction of 373 employees in H1 2024, 309 of whom were in Austria. In contrast, the first-time full consolidation of MV Agusta (Italy) added an additional 213 employees to the Group.



                        Outlook for the 2024 financial year confirmed



                        In a persistently challenging environment, the Executive Board expects a significantly better second half of the year, supported by a higher-margin product mix, particularly in the offroad segment. For 2024 as a whole, it is forecasting a decline in revenue of 10% to 15% compared to the previous year.

                        In the Motorcycles segment, the Executive Board assumes that the cost savings introduced will be able to compensate for the negative effects of declining sales to such an extent that a balanced to slightly positive EBIT can be generated in the 2024 financial year. The development of existing dealers and the further expansion of the dealer network to support the brand strategy will be key issues in the 2024 financial year.

                        In the Bicycle division, however, the Executive Board expects a significantly negative EBIT of € -110 to € -130 million, which is mainly due to extraordinary impairment and restructuring requirements. Valuation measures amounting to € -75 million have already been recognized in the half-year results.






                        Group key figures H1 2024 of PIERER Mobility AG
                        H1 2023 H1 2024 Change
                        Revenue in €m 1,388 1,007 -27.4%
                        EBITDA in €m 179 -102 > -100 %
                        EBITDA margin 12.9% -10.1% -23.0pp
                        EBIT in €m 97 -195 > -100 %
                        EBIT margin 7.0% -19.4% -26.4pp
                        Profit for the period in €m 53 -172 > -100 %
                        Earnings per share in € 2 -5 > -100 %
                        Dec 31, 2023 June 30, 2024 Change
                        Balance sheet total in €m 2,953 3,269 10.7%
                        Equity in €m 909 722 -20.6%
                        Equity ratio 30.8% 22.1% -8.7pp
                        Working capital employed in €m 531 809 52.2%
                        Net debt in €m 776 1,469 89.3%
                        Gearing 85.3% 203.4% 118.1pp


                        The Half-Year Financial Report 2024 of PIERER Mobility AG and the current investor presentation will be available on the company's website at https://www.pierermobility.com/en/investor-relations/publications before the market opens on Monday, August 26, 2024.



                        Legal notice

                        THIS ANNOUNCEMENT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN OFFER OF SECURITIES FOR SALE OR A SOLICITATION OF AN OFFER TO PURCHASE SECURITIES OF PIERER MOBILITY AG. IT IS NOT FOR DISTRIBUTION, TRANSMISSION OR PUBLICATION, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, IN OR INTO THE UNITED STATES, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, JAPAN OR SOUTH AFRICA OR ANY OTHER JURISDICTION IN WHICH THE DISTRIBUTION OF THIS ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD BE UNLAWFUL.



                        For further information:

                        Investor Relations

                        Hans Lang & Melinda Busáné Bellér

                        Tel: +43 676 4140945 and +43 676 4093711, respectively

                        Email: ir@pierermobility.com

                        Website: https://www.pierermobility.com



                        ISIN: AT0000KTMI02; security number (Switzerland): 41860974; securities code: PKTM;

                        Bloomberg: PKTM SW, PKTM AV; Reuters: PKTM.S, PKTM.VI






                        End of Inside Information
                        direi che i dati confermano quello che ho detto
                        tra l altro hanno acquisito MV che sta dalle mie parti e ti posso assicurare che la situazione e' gia stata messa in chiaro , su quali saranno gli scenari

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by luciocabrio View Post

                          io contestavo questo:

                          "uno dei due Lenovo per me faticherà a stare sul podio mondiale…"

                          quindi pensi che bagnaia o marquez saranno fuori dalla top3
                          Per me no
                          Se devo esprimere il mio parere e non basarmi sullo scenario più probabile rispetto allo storico recente allora ti rispondo sì, per me uno dei due Lenovo l’anno prossimo potrebbe riservare sorprese negative nel senso di faticare a fare il podio mondiale. Ovviamente resta una mera ipotesi basata fondamentalmente sulla mia convinzione (speranza?) che uno tra Martin e Acosta (o magari entrambi) sarà della partita e questo potrebbe alterare non poco gli equilibri attuali visto che Ducati è da un po’ abituata a lottare solo contro se stessa. A questo si aggiunge l’assenza di due moto (di cui una ufficiale) e quindi di dati che però ritengo sia il problema meno rilevante visto che ormai dovrebbero averne a iosa e per ogni pista del mondiale. L’altra variabile che ipotizzo meno controllabile potrebbe essere la rivalità interna che se da un lato può portare i due ufficiali ad alzare l’asticella ad un punto da essere irraggiungibili per tutti gli altri, dall’altro potrebbe invece essere deleteria e portare scompenso e disordine con ovvi riflessi sulle prestazioni generali. Insomma, se è vero che la possibilità di vedere un mondiale in cui c’è solo un posto per cui lottare (il terzo) sulla carta è molto concreta, per me restano comunque alcune variabili non trascurabili che potrebbero sorprenderci e rendere il tutto molto meno scontato e parecchio interessante

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by luciocabrio View Post

                            ma davvero?
                            Si

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by davegan View Post

                              direi che i dati confermano quello che ho detto
                              tra l altro hanno acquisito MV che sta dalle mie parti e ti posso assicurare che la situazione e' gia stata messa in chiaro , su quali saranno gli scenari
                              Confermano non del tutto, hai scritto ristrutturazione che costerà migliaia di posti, e secondo me invece si fermerà a qualche centinaia. (fino ad oggi hanno tagliato 300-400 persone su 6000), e c'è scritto che nel secondo semestre del 2024 prevedono un miglioramento delle condizioni rispetto al primo semestre.

                              PS: conosco e parlo con persone che in questo momento stanno facendo colloqui per assunzioni in ottime posizioni in MV, quindi la cosa è ambigua. Magari mentre tagliano alcune teste legate al flusso produttivo quotidiano, (che poi reintegreranno non appena le vendite ripartono) e contemporaneamente stanno assumendo persone in ottica futuri investimenti.

                              Aziende come quelle automotive (o moto), possono tranquillamente subire una crisi produttiva con tagli alle linee e flussi produttivi, mentre assumono e investono sui futuri prodotti per essere pronti con le novità 2-3-5 anni dopo (tempo necessario per progettare e sviluppare moto e auto).

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                                Originally posted by andrea nadiani View Post

                                Salvo sfighe, a mio parere il mondiale se lo giocano loro 2, con Martin (se si adatta velocemente) e i 2 Ktm a seguire.
                                esatto.E solo perchè le ducati private le an date a piloti 2 tacche sotto

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