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    #421


    Putting the pieces together

    The vision presented at Universal Studios in Los Angeles is the grand unification of Musk?s clean-energy ambitions. The audience was able to step into a future powered entirely by Tesla: a house topped with sculpted Tuscan solar tiles, where night-time electricity is stored in two sleek wall-hung Powerwall batteries, and where a Model 3 prototype electric car sits parked out front within reach of the home?s car charger.

    Attracting less attention on Wisteria Lane was Tesla?s Powerwall 2, a major upgrade of its home battery for electricity storage. When the original Powerwall was released last year, I was skeptical. Mostly, it was just too pricey for the amount of power it provided, especially in the U.S. where electricity is cheap and most people can sell their excess solar power back to the grid. Version 2 is a much different product. It packs more than twice the capacity?14 kilowatt hours versus 6.4 kilowatt hours?for a cheaper price after installation. 1 It includes a built-in Tesla-brand inverter and comes with a ten year, infinite-cycle warranty

    Electricity storage is crucial for future uptake of solar power. Already in some solar-heavy regions, more electricity is being produced during the middle of the day than people can consume, and utility prices spike in the evening hours when the sun goes down. In the U.S., some states are abandoning payments for daytime rooftop solar, undermining huge investments that families have made in their solar systems. The only recourse is for customers to use that electricity themselves, at night.

    Like previous attempts at solar shingles, the solar-plus-battery package hasn?t really caught on yet. SolarCity?s total bundled sales thus far number in just the hundreds. But an argument can be made that the products just weren't compelling enough yet and the prices were still too high.

    The Powerwall 2 may be the cheapest lithium ion battery for the home ever made when deliveries start in January. Tesla is selling the batteries at retail prices that are cheaper than the average manufacturing cost at most companies, according to data compiled by Bloomberg New Energy Finance. We "certainly expect it will move the market prices downwards as we saw last year with the first Powerwall," said Yayoi Sekine, a BNEF analyst who covers battery technology.

    Let?s wait and see

    Powerwall 2 looks ready for primetime. The new solar shingles? Let?s wait until more details emerge. Tesla says we should expect a slow initial rollout beginning in about nine months. Within two years of production, the shingles could account for five percent of the five million roofs installed in the U.S. every year, said Peter Rive, SolarCity?s co-founder and chief technology officer. SolarCity, under the Tesla brand, would also manufacture and sell surface-mounted solar panels for homeowners who have no plans for replacing their existing roofs.

    The pricing on the new solar roof is a bit?squishy. Musk said that someone who buys a Tesla roof will save money compared with someone who buys a comparable traditional roof plus electricity from the grid. But make no mistake: This will be a premium product, at least when it first rolls out. The terra cotta and slate roofs Tesla mimicked are among the most expensive roofing materials on the market. SolarCity CEO Lyndon Rive noted that the price of a conventional roof can vary widely, from $7,000 to $70,000?based on materials, size, complexity, location?so giving out firm prices of a solar roof at this point would be difficult.

    ?It is the metaphoric 'super-car' of residential solar,? said BNEF solar analyst Hugh Bromley. ?It portrays cutting-edge technology with broad appeal, but ? it competes in a solar market where most customers are comfortable in a family sedan.?

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      #422
      Un link?

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        #423
        Pi? che altro, delle famose "tegole" mi preoccupano anche i prezzi di installazione. Sono curioso di sapere se sono organizzate in "pannelli" di dimensioni simili ad un classico pannello solare, oppure se sono vendute una ad una. In quel caso anche solo il collegamento di tutte esse mi sembra davvero complicato

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          #424
          vista al motorshow,sia il SUV che la S.

          sono molto belle e ben realizzate,per? hanno ancora prezzi troppo elevati,si parte da 80.000 euro

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            #425
            Originally posted by interceptor79 View Post
            vista al motorshow,sia il SUV che la S.
            sono molto belle e ben realizzate,per? hanno ancora prezzi troppo elevati,si parte da 80.000 euro
            Beh... Quali auto con prestazioni e dotazioni paragonabili, costano meno?

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              #426
              Originally posted by McRae (Lo Straniero) View Post
              Beh... Quali auto con prestazioni e dotazioni paragonabili, costano meno?
              lasciando stare le prestazioni,per dimensioni e dotazione dovrebbe posizionarsi nella fascia di prezzo di A4/serie3/classe C per ambire ad una diffusione di ampio respiro.

              parlo di modello base a modello base,prezzo quasi doppio.

              serve una berlina da 30-40.000 euro max,e una due volumi da 20-30.000 max

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                #427
                Originally posted by interceptor79 View Post
                lasciando stare le prestazioni,per dimensioni e dotazione dovrebbe posizionarsi nella fascia di prezzo di A4/serie3/classe C per ambire ad una diffusione di ampio respiro.
                parlo di modello base a modello base,prezzo quasi doppio.
                Non ho capito il discorso "modello base a modello base".
                Comunque la modelS si posiziona in una categoria superiore, ed il prezzo ci sta..
                Originally posted by interceptor79 View Post
                serve una berlina da 30-40.000 euro max,e una due volumi da 20-30.000 max
                Beh per quello uscir? la model3, ed il prezzo DOVREBBE essere attorno ai 40/45...

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                  #428
                  Originally posted by McRae (Lo Straniero) View Post
                  Non ho capito il discorso "modello base a modello base".
                  Comunque la modelS si posiziona in una categoria superiore, ed il prezzo ci sta..


                  Beh per quello uscir? la model3, ed il prezzo DOVREBBE essere attorno ai 40/45...
                  intendo da prezzo di partenza a prezzo di partenza.

                  la model S ha le dimensioni di un'A4 et similia,percui dovrebbero essere nello stesso segmento.

                  la S meno costosa parte da 80.000,la A4 meno costosa credo intorno ai 40.

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                    #429
                    Originally posted by interceptor79 View Post
                    intendo da prezzo di partenza a prezzo di partenza.
                    la model S ha le dimensioni di un'A4 et similia,percui dovrebbero essere nello stesso segmento.
                    Ehhhmm la tesla ModelS? lunga 495cm, la A4 450cm. Considera che la modelS esce anche a 7 posti, per dire.

                    Tesla ? del segmento di Mercedes Classe S, BMW Serie 7 etc etc

                    Tesla domina il segmento USA delle berline di lusso

                    Per dire, un'auto simile come dotazioni e performance ? la Panamarea, lunga 501cm, 570cv (la turboS) e linea sportiva. E viene 186.000 euro. Ma anche prendendo la versione pi? economica, sono 86000 euro, che ? paragonabile (pi? curata la panamera, pi? potente la tesla e meglio dotata anche in versione base)

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                      #430
                      capito,dal vivo mi sembrava pi? piccola sinceramente,non pi? grande di un'A4.

                      allora mancano almeno due modelli

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                        #431
                        Trump nomina suoi consiglieri Musk (Tesla) e Kalanick (Uber). ? disgelo con la Silicon Valley? - Il Sole 24 Ore

                        Last edited by arabykola; 15-12-16, 19:07.

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                          #432
                          Ah, beh, certo, essere nominati da Trump ? garanzia di essere nel giusto

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                            #433
                            E Chi ha detto "? nel giusto" ? :gaen:

                            Pastorizia dilagante eh
                            Last edited by arabykola; 15-12-16, 19:59.

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                              #434
                              Ah, ok, era solo un post alla *****, buttato la senza un senso, come al solito
                              Last edited by flydive; 15-12-16, 20:09.

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                                #435
                                Invece il tuo intervento un trattato di fisica spaziale, vero ?:gaen:

                                Ho condiviso una notizia... brutta roba ehh
                                Last edited by arabykola; 15-12-16, 20:12.

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