Ducati PANIGALE V4 thread II capitolo

[stradivari]

Bene, non vedo l'ora di leggere altri pareri da parte di chi la moto la vive quotidianamente
Purtroppo non posso fare paragoni significativi, la Rsv4 rho venduta nel 2014, quindi non ho riferimenti freschi. L'ultima moto prima della V4 ? stata un Cbr 600 per varie vicissitudini...e di certo non ? confrontabile con la Ducati

Dal 2010: tre BMW possedute (2010, 2012 e HP4), una Ducati (1299s con Akra full), due R1 (una M racing e una 60.mo anniversario stradale).
Provate numerose volte, sia in strada, sia in pista, BMW 2016, Aprilia RF, Kawa e Suzuki nuovo...per oltre 10.000 km all?anno fatti tra strada e pista su super sportive.
Diciamo che di parametri un po? ne ho

[moros1000rr]

Stefano Cordara gran gasss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jBCl9xZIck

[Calimero cattivo]

Un veloce confronto tra le due V4 potresti scrivercelo, no ?

Scusate l?OT.

Beh si, per? ? passato parecchio tempo...e con questa son solo in fase di rodaggio posso giusto dire che come erogazione ? migliore su Ducati, l'Aprilia aveva un fastidioso effetto on off, che magari han risolto nelle versioni successive. Come sensazioni d? l'idea di essere facile...sempre ai ritmi stradali in rodaggio, quindi poco significativi...e che non stanca anche dopo giri di oltre 200 km.

[Bladerunner72]

Cordara altro passo, adesso dice che mette l'articolo con le sue impressioni.

[pierfunk]

Stefano Cordara gran gasss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jBCl9xZIck

Il led alto a sinistra che si accende ogni volta che si da del gasss ? il TC che interviene?

[PanigalinoRed]

Il sound nel primo video mi pare molto cupo ...se fosse con scarico originale ? una figata..sembra quasi un bicilindrico ...in quello di Cordara mi pare pi? aperto sulle alte frequenze ...una sensazione nelle cambiate a salire nn sembra che la moto faccia degli scatti a colpi nn riesco a capire se c’? tendenza a impennare e quindi poi interviene elettronica per tenere gi? la ruota ....

[new77]

Bellissimo il video di Cordara.... in race e con lui a guidarla.... ? un bel vedere e sentire.....

[Calimero cattivo]

E' quando interviene il DTC

[pierfunk]

Il sound nel primo video mi pare molto cupo ...se fosse con scarico originale ? una figata..sembra quasi un bicilindrico ...in quello di Cordara mi pare pi? aperto sulle alte frequenze ...una sensazione nelle cambiate a salire nn sembra che la moto faccia degli scatti a colpi nn riesco a capire se c?? tendenza a impennare e quindi poi interviene elettronica per tenere gi? la ruota ....

Si Cordara gira con le slick e i terminali Akra

[pierfunk]

E' quando interviene il DTC

Ogni volta che prendi in mano il gass quindi

[stradivari]

294 sul rettilineo di Valencia, per quanto siano soltanto di tachimetro, direi che non ? affatto male

[moros1000rr]

Il led alto a sinistra che si accende ogni volta che si da del gasss ? il TC che interviene?

Credo di si...e pensa che dice che ha girato con le slick.Forse TC un p? troppo invasivo o gomme fredde...

[Bladerunner72]

Si anche nel video di Meloni in certe cambiate il quickshifter sembra un p? 'tirare indietro', a me lo faceva un p? anche quello della 1299, diciamo un p? brusco.

[Calimero cattivo]

Credo di si...e pensa che dice che ha girato con le slick.Forse TC un p? troppo invasivo o gomme fredde...

In modalit? Race di default il Tc ? a livello 3. A meno che non abbiano modificato il settaggio.

[Bruno Rabolini]

La prova su MCN: semplicemente sbalorditiva.

MCN?s Senior Editor has just got off Ducati?s new V4 Panigale after the first session of its world launch at the Circuit Ricardo Tormo at Valencia. With 211bhp, a new MotoGP-style frame and some of the most advanced electronics in the world, it will replace the 1299 Panigale in Ducati?s superbike line-up and form their basis of their 2019 WSB challenger.
First impressions of the V4 Panigale

?The new bike is simply astounding,? said a sweaty, slightly wild-eyed Matt. ?With a claimed 211bhp on tap, Ducati say it is the fastest, most powerful production bike that the world has ever seen and after that first session I?ve got no reason to doubt them. The engine makes power in the kind of glorious, linear way that makes it easy to exploit, but once it gets revving it simply takes your breath away. It?s got loads of soul and goes through gears with so fast it blows your mind. Despite being a V4 it still sounds and feels like a Ducati but it?s all I can do to hold on!?

?The chassis is impressive too. Just like their MotoGP bike, Ducati have given the V4 a reverse-rotating crank, which means that it rotates in the opposite way to the wheels to counteract their gyroscopic forces. It means the bike is nimble and easy to steer and I?m looking forward to exploiting that more in coming sessions.

?The electronics are some of the most advanced on the planet and on the conservative settings we?re running at the moment, allow you open the throttle with impunity, but without ever feeling like you?re being restricted. It point to the fact it?ll be a great bike for all levels of trackday riders, but pretty civilised on the road as well. I?ve got four more sessions to get to know the bike. I?m looking to find out more, but so far it lives up to the hype!

"There is so much to learn with a huge amount of different settings, modes and electronic interventions, but it?s pretty obvious that the mechanical side of things is bang-on. It?s proper.?
What else we know about the new Desmosedici Stradale V4 engine

This is the first mass-produced Ducati bike to have a four-cylinder engine, and it?s derived directly from the MotoGP bike?s Desmosedici V4, but with a displacement of 1103cc. Developed in very close collaboration with Ducati Corse technicians and riders, it steals directly from the race bike in terms of design and architecture, but still manages to deliver impressive service intervals of 7500 miles, with the valve check only required every 15,000 miles. The 90? V4 uses the same 81mm bore as the GP bike with a longer stroke for improved low-to-mid rev torque, and boasts a counter rotating crank and twin-pulse ignition.

And if that?s not enough, power can be boosted to ready high power of the standard Desmosedici Stradale configuration can be boosted to almost 220bhp with the optional titanium Akrapovic race exhaust.

On almost all road bikes, the crankshaft turns in the same direction as the wheels. But as with MotoGP bikes, the new Panigale V4 gets a counter-rotating crankshaft. Its benefits are in gyroscopic effect and inertia, improving handling and directional agility.

A counter-rotating crankshaft produces inertia-linked torque in the opposite direction, lowering the front of the bike, limiting the bike?s desire to wheelie, and therefore boosting acceleration performance. Similarly, during hard braking/deceleration the crankshaft itself also decelerates, producing an inertial torque that works to help to minimise rear wheel lift.

The 90-degree V layout evens up first order forces naturally without having to resort to a balancing countershaft to eliminate vibration. The V is banked rearward 42?, just like the MotoGP engine, optimising weight distribution, allowing for larger radiators and bringing the swingarm pivot as far forward as possible. A combination of 70? crank pin offset and 90-degree V layout generates what Ducati calls a Twin Pulse firing order because it mimics the firing sequence of a twin-cylinder, with ignition happening at 0?, 90?, 290? and 380?. The Desmosedici Stradale engine takes in air through four oval throttle bodies (52mm diameter equivalent), connected to variable-height velocity stacks for the first time on a Ducati engine, and weighing in at 64.9 kg, it is just 2.2 kg heavier than the 1285cc Superquadro V-twin.
Ducati electrickery

The Panigale V4 introduces controlled drift during braking, ABS Cornering on the front wheel only thanks to a set-up specially designed for track riding and a bi-directional shifter that even takes lean angles into account. All these controls - developed on the track together with official Ducati riders and test riders - are incorporated in the three new Riding Modes (Race, Sport and Street) and can be adjusted via the advanced second-generation TFT dash.

The introduction of the 6D IMU has allowed the Ducati Slide Control (DSC) - developed in conjunction with Ducati Corse - to be added to the Ducati Traction Control EVO (DTC EVO). This new system provides the rider with further support by controlling the torque delivered by the engine as a function of the slide angle, improving corner exit performance.

Like the DTC EVO, the DSC controls torque reduction by acting on the throttle body valves, spark advance decrease and injection cuts.

The DSC has two different settings: switching from level 1 to level 2 results in easier control of slide angles that would otherwise be difficult to handle for mere mortals. DSC intervention levels can be changed by accessing a special menu, in which DTC EVO and DWC EVO values can also be set. It is also possible to set direct DSC control via the direct access buttons on the left-hand switchgear, and the setting is always shown on the display.
The Panigale V4 electronic package includes:

ABS Cornering Bosch EVO
Ducati Traction Control EVO (DTC EVO)
Ducati Slide Control (DSC)
Ducati Wheelie Control EVO (DWC EVO)
Ducati Power Launch (DPL)
Ducati Quick Shift up/down EVO (DQS EVO)
Engine Brake Control EVO (EBC EVO)
Ducati Electronic Suspension EVO (DES EVO)

The frame game

To minimise the inevitable weight gain from the extra bank of cylinders, Ducati developed an all-new frame, called the ?Front Frame?. It's more compact and lighter than a perimeter frame and uses the engine as a stressed chassis element ? keeping the kerb weight of the S and Speciale versions down to 195kg ? 2.5kg lighter than the new 959 Corse.

Compared to the monocoque design, the Front Frame allows torsional rigidity and lateral rigidity to be kept separate, to better absorb any road surface roughness when cornering.

At just 4 kg, the Front Frame is secured directly to the upper half-crankcase of the front cylinder head and to the V4 rear cylinder head, with the engine also acting as a fixing point for the rear suspension and a fulcrum point for the single-sided swingarm.
Controlling the rise and fall

The Panigale V4 is equipped with a 43mm Showa Big Piston Fork (BPF), fully adjustable for preload, compression and rebound damping. The fork bodies house chrome sliders with Brembo radial caliper mountings. A Sachs steering damper completes the front-end package, while the rear gets a fully adjustable Sachs shock.

The Panigale V4 S and Panigale V4 Speciale are equipped with ?hlins NIX-30 forks, ?hlins TTX36 rear shock and ?hlins steering damper, with electronic semi-active control. The suspension and steering damper are controlled by the second-generation control system, ?hlins Smart EC 2.0, featuring Ducati?s new Objective Based Tuning Interface (OBTi).

The electronic suspension offers the choice between manual mode, allowing compression, rebound, and damping of the steering damper to be manually set via virtual clicks ? or you can select the automatic semi-active 'Dynamic' mode. When Dynamic mode is selected, the system automatically adjusts compression and rebound damping in response to the rider's inputs and the road or track surface.
Huge little brakes

The new Panigale V4 range debuts Brembo?s new Stylema monobloc calipers - the latest evolution of the already high-performance M50. Machined from a single piece of alloy, they feature lighter-weight areas in the fixing bushings and in the body, making them 70g lighter each, without compromising on rigidity.
I can see clearly now

The Panigale V4 gets a new 5" full-TFT, high-res and high-brightness colour display, completely redesigned in terms of layout and graphics, including a new virtual circular rev-counter located on the right side.

Two different layouts are available: Track mode focuses attention on the lap time indicator, while Road mode shows Ducati Multimedia System (DMS) information, and highlights engine rpm values typical of road riding. Top speed, selected riding mode, and selected gear do not change position when the layout mode is changed.

This is the most advanced Ducati ever built ? a marriage of brutal power, electronics, and minimalism. Could this be the best sportsbike of 2018?

MCN speaks to Stefano Strappazzon, Ducati Panigale V4 project leader
The Ducati Panigale V4 model line-up
Panigale V4, ?19,250

Ducati Red with grey frame and black wheels
43 mm Showa Big Piston Forks (BPF), fully adjustable
Sachs monoshock, fully adjustable
Sachs steering damper
Latest-generation electronic package with 6-axis Inertial Measurement Unit (6D IMU): ABS Cornering Bosch EVO; Ducati Traction Control EVO (DTC EVO); Ducati Slide Control (DSC); Ducati Wheelie Control EVO (DWC EVO); Ducati Power Launch (DPL); Ducati Quick Shift up/down EVO (DQS EVO); Engine Brake Control EVO (EBC EVO)
Riding Modes (Race, Sport, Street)
5" full-TFT dashboard
Braking system with new Brembo Stylema? monobloc calipers
New Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP tyres, 200/60 at the rear

Panigale V4 S, ?23,895

As base model, plus:

Ducati Red with grey frame and black wheels
Suspension and steering damper with ?hlins Smart EC 2.0 system
?hlins NIX-30 forks
?hlins TTX 36 shock absorber
?hlins steering damper
Aluminium forged wheels
Lithium-ion battery
Cast Magnesium alloy front sub frame

Panigale V4 Speciale, ?34,995

As Panigale V4 S, plus:

"Speciale" colour scheme with grey frame and black wheels
Carbon fibre front/rear mudguards
Machined-from-solid top yoke with identification number
Alcantara seat
Dedicated handle grips
Adjustable foot pegs
Carbon fibre heel guard
Carbon fibre cover swinging arm
Racing articulated levers
Racing fuel tank cap
Brake level protection
Full racing titanium Ducati Performance by Akrapovič exhaust system
Racing screen
Plate holder removal kit
Machined-from solid mirror replacement plugs
Ducati Data Analyser+ GPS (DDA + GPS)
Bike cover

See the Jan 24 edition of MCN for the full road test and the behind-the-scenes story of the V4's development.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/november/new-ducati-panigale-v4-2018-revealed/